Welcome to the Police State (Updated 12:13pm)

Clearly, there is some fucked up shit going down just now: Buses and tubes blown up, people badly hurt, presumably some killed. Not good.

Already 5 Live have had Lib Dem MP Simon Hughes on who took time out from talking about the scenes he was caught up in to give a Churchill-esque statement about the sort of scum who would do this after yesterday’s scenes of happiness in the wake of the Olympic decision. Personally I wasn’t a fan of that: suddenly I felt the cold creep of the police state as I could see this being used to reinforce the ideas of needing ID cards and the rest. Would it have stopped anything like this? No. Do we need denoucements of terrorists as ‘cowards’ etc.? No we don’t. Let’s concentrate on the people who are hurt and effects rather than start a US-like sabre-rattling rage, achieving little except reducing freedoms of the innocent.

Update: Having heard Tony Blair’s speech I can say I was impressed. He kept it tight, to the point and with no flag-waving. Just a commitment to continue G8 (which, if it does yield some of what it promises, will be a good thing).

I was also taken aback by hearing a woman on 5 Live feel the need to defend LU (I presume pre-emptively) against the idea that they had failed in letting these devices through. Anyone who seriously ever believed you could hope to stop all determined people with bombs was always living in a fantasy land. I hope we don’t see accusations that the security forces have failed us since it will only add to the chances of any future bills to restrict civil liberties, even though they will do nothing for security, getting through.

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10 Responses to Welcome to the Police State (Updated 12:13pm)

  1. Anonymous says:

    ID cards very probably wouldnt have helped against this unless, as Tristan said, they were constantly being checked. That would imply some kind of random “stop and search” process much like we have in policy now. The decision of who to stop and search is at the discretion of the individual policeman.

    The proposed ID cards arent just to check whether youre a legal citizen or not – they are to be linked to a central registry system that will contain a whole slew of other private information about you. A list of the information proposed to be held is available [url=http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/faq.php#7]here.[/url]

    If the idea of the government storing huge amounts of data on its citizens in a centralisied location and being entrusted to use it in a limited and responsible fashion sounds likely to you, please consider that [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3714864.stm]this government is locking people up without due process [/url] and have been critisied by the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights for their creation of control orders which, quoting the Comissioner, [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4071968.stm]”are intended to substitute the ordinary criminal justice system with a parallel system run by the executive (i.e. politicians rather than judges)”[/url].

    So the record on human rights violations on thier own citizens isnt looking so hot. Im not going to get into the iraq bombing campaigns prewar, the way our government lied to us so they could propagate an illegal war, the numerous war crimes of our allies the united states of america, the dubious (and false) assertion made in the american media about the connection between iraq and al-Qaeda, or the topic of WMDs.

    Dont think im a heartless bastard, I do think this is a very sad thing that happened. We just have to be careful in our reaction to this, and remember how our rash actions have harmed others.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I’m going either way on ID cards… I do NOT want to fork out £400 for one, but I suppose the point is… that the terror attack could have been prevented if the people behind it were illegal immigrants.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Yup, that’s a lot of maybes and the chances are they weren’t.

    About to update the story post-Blair’s speech now.

    TheoGB webmaster@iShotTheDeputy.com

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